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The Human Side of Change: Satir, Patterns, Systems, and Complexity with Don Gray
In this episode of That Change Show, Jason sits down with Don Gray for a deep dive into the realities of change management—beyond frameworks, buzzwords, and rigid processes. They explore why change is messy, how emotions and values shape resistance, and why organizations often focus on the wrong levers when trying to transform.
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Drawing from personal experiences, [b]the Satir Change Model[/b], and insights from [b]complex systems thinking[/b], Jason and Don challenge the traditional [b]right-hand-side approach[/b] to change (processes & tools) and emphasize the often-overlooked [b]left-hand-side[/b] (culture, strategy, and human dynamics).
Along the way, they revisit stories from the [b]Aye Conference, Agile 2012[/b], and [b]Problem Solving Leadership (PSL) workshops[/b], discussing how adaptive thinking, small shifts, and [b]informal change agents[/b] can lead to meaningful transformation.
[h3][b]What You’ll Learn:[/b][/h3]
✅ Why organizations resist change—and why that’s normal
âś… The [b]butterfly effect[/b] of small shifts in complex systems
âś… How [b]patterns form, evolve, and disrupt change efforts[/b]
âś… The power of [b]timing, emotions, and informal change agents[/b]
âś… Why solving problems [i]for[/i] people actually makes things worse
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