There are more change frameworks out there than you can shake a stick at. We all have our favourites, but how necessary are they? We know change is hard, and we know the debates about why change fails have been circular over the last decade or perhaps longer. Yet here we are, inventing, and reinventing more frameworks, best practices, and standards in the hopes that will fix what isn’t working.

What if we relied on our brains and ears instead of boxes on a PowerPoint? This week’s podcast features Lean Change Agent Facilitators Ro Gorrell and Charlotte Mawle. Our topics include:

  • The ‘Brains and Ears’ approach to change
  • The perception that Agile is chaos
  • Breaking verticle and horizontal boundaries on the org chart
  • How those new to change can avoid getting sucked into framework bias

charlotte-mawleCharlotte Mawle@changeoptimised


Ro Gorrell@growtalentro

Jason Little
Author, Lean Change Management at Leanintuit
I began my career as a web developer when Cold Fusion roamed the earth. Over the following years, I moved into management, Agile Coaching and consulting. The bumps and bruises I collected along the way helped me realize that helping organizations adopt Agile practices was less about the practices, and all about change.
In 2008 I attended an experiential learning conference (AYE) about how people experience change and since then, I’ve been writing, and speaking, all over the world about helping organizations discover more effective practices for managing organizational change.